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ABC Outs Waterboarding Architects…And Gets Their Facts Wrong

ABC is running a story right now about the two men who are claimed to be the architects of the CIA’s enhanced interrogation program.

They’re playing off the story as if these two individuals are extremely unqualified and that the CIA was dumb to use them to build the interrogation program.

Former U.S. officials say the two men were essentially the architects of the CIA’s 10-step interrogation plan that culminated in waterboarding…

Both Mitchell and Jessen were previously involved in the U.S. military program to train pilots how to survive behind enemy lines and resist brutal tactics if captured.

But it turns out neither Mitchell nor Jessen had any experience in conducting actual interrogations before the CIA hired them.

It’s a good thing they weren’t the ones conducting the interrogations then. They simply were devising the “enhanced” methods. I also think it would be extremely naive to believe that only these two individuals came up with the entire process of these enhanced methods. Like I said in an earlier post, the higher-ups in the CIA had to approve from someone to be subject to these methods, I’d have to imagine that they played a very large part in planning them.

The new documents show the CIA later came to learn that the two psychologists’ waterboarding “expertise” was probably “misrepresented” and thus, there was no reason to believe it was “medically safe” or effective. The waterboarding used on al Qaeda detainees was far more intense than the brief sessions used on U.S. military personnel in the training classes.

Again, as I said in my earlier post, all waterboarding was supervised by a CIA medical officer. That officer had the authority to stop the interrogation at anytime if they felt the interrogation would cause serious physical or mental damage to the detainee. If the media had reported that portion of the memo, I wouldn’t have to continually point it out.

“The use of these tactics tends to increase resistance on the part of the detainee to cooperating with us. So they have the exact opposite effect of what you want,” said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich).

Again, the recently released memos showed that the CIA thought this was a highly successful program that thwarted an attack on this country. The CIA has yet to back down from that statement. And Obama’s current Intel Chief said the same thing. By saying that these methods had a negative effect, when the CIA said they had a positive effect, you’re in essence saying the CIA doesn’t have America’s best interest in mind. And that’s a ridiculous claim to make.

The new memos also show waterboarding was used “with far greater frequency than initially indicated” to even those in the CIA.

Abu Zubaydah was water boarded at least 83 times and Khalid Sheikh Mohamed at least 183 times.

Again, ABC is reporting false information. As Fox News reported a few days ago, and I linked to in an earlier post, those numbers do not represent the number of times those detainees were waterboarded. Rather, they represent the number of times that water was applied to their face. One of the “enhanced” methods is “water dousing” which would apply water to the face. If any of them were doused with water, or any other interrogation technique that involved water was used against them, it would be included in those numbers.

Can the media please get their facts straight? The problem with the media today is that once false information is in the system, it continually gets regurgitated. ABC is proving that point positive.

–jb

Interrogation Memos: What the Media Omitted

Sure Arlen Specter has dominated the news coverage today, but ya think a story about torture and waterboarding would have made headlines. I guess when it’s disproving what was widely reported that doesn’t happen.

The New York Times reported last week that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, was waterboarded 183 times in one month by CIA interrogators. The “183 times” was widely circulated by news outlets throughout the world.

It was shocking. And it was highly misleading. The number is a vast inflation, according to information from a U.S. official and the testimony of the terrorists themselves.

A U.S. official with knowledge of the interrogation program told FOX News that the much-cited figure represents the number of times water was poured onto Mohammed’s face — not the number of times the CIA applied the simulated-drowning technique on the terror suspect. According to a 2007 Red Cross report, he was subjected a total of “five sessions of ill-treatment.”

I had a feeling that 183 times was a wee bit much. Of course the New York Times makes no mention of this new revelation in today’s publication, and there’s nothing on their website. I’d hope they’d offer up a retraction at some point, wouldn’t that be the appropriate journalist action?

Of course that wasn’t the only mistake.

The Times and dozens of other outlets wrote that the CIA also waterboarded senior Al Qaeda member Abu Zubaydah 83 times, but Zubayda himself, a close associate of Usama bin Laden, told the Red Cross he was waterboarded no more than 10 times.

The Fox News story says that the memos don’t actually say that waterboarding was used that many times, despite what the NY Times reported. Fox reports that these numbers only represent the number of times water was applied to the inmates faces. You might ask, wouldn’t that be waterboarding? And I would answer no, the following is from the May 30, 2005 memo on page eight.

“For theses reasons the team sought authorization to use dietary manipulation, nudity, water dousing, and abdominal slap.”

Water dousing is a completely separate method from waterboarding and would be considered some form of pouring water on the face.

However, there’s a lot more in the interrogation memos than the New York Times and other media outlets would like you to think. So far, the media and the democrats have done a good job of stereotyping enhanced interrogation techniques as a far to often used method that yield weak results at best.

The memos that Obama released show quite the opposite.

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The Current #133

The Current #133
Sunday April 26, 2009
Hosts: Jacob Bodnar and Logan Sparrow

Segments from the Show – Full episode is at the bottom of the post

Obama’s Plan Backfires
Obama had a brilliant plan, or at least what he thought was a brilliant plan. He decided to release four Bush era memos regarding torture that he said would help address “a dark and painful chapter in our history.” The only problem? Those memos showed that waterboarding worked, and it helped stop an attack on Los Angeles.
[audio:http://www.thecurrentpodcast.com/episodes/segments/terror_memos133.mp3]

Miss California’s “Controversial” Statement
The media was a buzz this week over the answer Miss California gave during the Miss USA pageant regarding gay marriage. Turns out she believes marriage is between a man and a woman…ohhh, how dare she? Perez Hilton said that she shouldn’t have answered that way because Miss USA is suppose to “unite and inspire” people. Jacob and Logan say Miss California’s answer did just that.
[audio:http://www.thecurrentpodcast.com/episodes/segments/miss_california133.mp3]

Blame Fat People
Who is the latest group of people that cause global warming? Surprise, it’s fat people. Scientists say that eat more and get this, they are more prone to driving than walking causing more CO2 emissions. We couldn’t make this up. So using that logic disabled people would be causing global warming as well.
[audio:http://www.thecurrentpodcast.com/episodes/segments/global_warming133.mp3]

FULL EPISODE
[audio:http://www.thecurrentpodcast.com/episodes/thecurrentep133_96.mp3]

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